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Started by delta on 3 July 2009 • 22,236 views

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Ok, so as you'll be aware, i'm currently working on Curse of The Mystics. Now, by the time i've finished this game, it will have taken up quite a lot of my time - more so than a normal dizzy game, and there will probably be a lot more effort goes into it as well (due to the speech samples and all that). The final part, 'Return of the Righteous', will also no doubt take up just as much of my time.

So, due to both the time/effort involved, and the fact that it's (in my opinion anyway) quite a 'stand out' concept for a DizzyAGE game, i've been toying with the idea of making it a 'paid for' game, where you'd pay a small sum to download it.

My question to you all is simple. what are your thoughts on this? Would you be willing to pay for it, and if so, how much? I don't think i'd charge too much really if i did. i was thinking about £2.50 - £3.50 or somewhere around about that.

Regarding the copyright of the 'Dizzy' name etc, i would simply change the character graphic and a few other things, and remove all references to Dizzy. It would in effect become a completely non-Dizzy game. It would also remove the 'Dizzy Legends' prefix (i would probably rename it to something else).

If i did do that, i would also release a new version of TLoD for free (alongside the current version, not instead of), that would also have all Dizzy graphics and references removed, to keep it in keeping with the paid-for CoTM.

I am VERY aware that this community is built on - and kept alive by - free fan games, so trust me, i am thinking very carefully about this, and i do want to weigh up all of the pros and cons first before i make any decision. If you can think of any, please let me know.

I really would appreciate input from as many people as possible here.

Thanks guys! {yolkfolk}:dizzy:

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#65921

Personally I dont have a problem paying for a game if I feel its going to be enjoyable to play. There is a hell of a lot of time invested to make even if are meant so everyone can enjoy as fans.

I feel the max price would be no more than £3.00, this was the price when the old games for the spectrum etc were sold.

The legends series however for me just dont interest, probably as im maybe more of a traditionalist with the dizzy games. As such I wouldnt buy (and I wont be playing these) but I would normal 'dizzy' games if it was allowed under copyright. A little reward for the person investing all the time and energy to make so lots of others can enjoy I dont think is a bad thing.

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#65922
Taking out any 'Dizzy' from the game might not attract as much interest, or be as fun. I would guess more people might be more willing to pay alittle for a dizzy related game than a non related game but the problem is you can't cash in on the name.. so its a tough one.

I don't think paying alittle amount is a big problem, its clearing taking up a lot of free time and all but having to take out the Dizzy stuff makes it less appealing.

Then again labor of love, and making people smile and all that.. giving up ones time for another's enjoyment..... that was my late Granddads attitude towards life.. lol

But then if its non-Dizzy i guess your have every right to ask for a contribution.. and its very little money and its not like there going to be 3/4 games each year.. assuming your still going to do Dizzy as well.
And with TLOD being the 'freewear' version things could pick up... personally ifs its non-dizzy then you should. might make alittle bit if you use the net to your advantage.. non-dizzy fans will still be interested, theres still fans of that style and type of game.. kinda a cult following much like dizzy.

P.S. i love the legions series, but part of the fun is the 'Dizzy' connections.. you'll have to create a new lovable character.
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#65923

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but having to take out the Dizzy stuff makes it less appealing.

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hmmm maybe, but i think that at the moment it's only really got a tenuous connection to Dizzy as it is anyway. after all, if you stripped the few 'Dizzy' elements out of TLoD, you would still have pretty much the same game.

regarding what LDoY said about paying for a normal Dizzy fan game, that simply wouldn't happen, due to all the copyright and stuff. That's what would make it relatively easy to do this as a paid game, because there's really not much i'd have to change.

oh and i'm curious LDoY, you say you won't be playing them, but does that mean if you had to pay for it? or does that apply to TLoD too, even though it's free?

oh and yes i would still do a few normal dizzy games too, free of course! :smile:

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#65924

Looking at the number of downloads for Illusion as an example at 332 times if even the price
was only £2 thats £664, thats not a bad little reward {yolkfolk}:delight:

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#65926

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regarding what LDoY said about paying for a normal Dizzy fan game, that simply wouldn’t happen, due to all the copyright and stuff. That’s what would make it relatively easy to do this as a paid game, because there’s really not much i’d have to change.

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I was saying if was allowed under copyright, (of course im aware its not) then I would be happy to pay, but I certainly understand with that stripping out any reference to dizzy it would be your own unique concept.
oh and i'm curious LDoY, you say you won't be playing them, but does that mean if you had to paid for it? or does that apply to TLoD too, even though it's free?

I meant I wont be playing them regardless as they dont really interest me, maybe as im more a tranditionalist with the normal 'dizzy' style. I did start to play the first one but I just didnt take to it.

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#65927
I meant I wont be playing them regardless as they dont really interest me, maybe as im more a tranditionalist with the normal 'dizzy' style.that's cool, i thought that's what you meant, but i just wanted to check. I know you're not alone - I think a lot of the guys in Eastern Europe who play Dizzy fan games don't particularly like the TLoD style either!
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#65928
as for the download total.. remember some people downloaded it more than once.. i had to download some games again when i changed my computer.

But the Legions series would be popular if the right people knew about it.
there are a lot of retro game fans what would get a kick out of something like this, and using the first one to draw people in.. evening £1 a download you might make a few bob.

The only thing would be having to re-download it again for any reason after buying a copy... the public don't like having too pay twice..and many of them don't back up! and what would be stopping them from spreading it around free of charge??
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Unless it works as a 'donation' and give people the option? this might be the more practical way???
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#65932
there are quite a number of technical issues that would have to be solved before i could do it. chief among them is the pirating issue.

*in theory* it would be quite easy to implement some sort of algorithm that stored a unique number in a file, that the game used to identify whether it was a copy or not (i already use something similar in IID :wink: ), but again, what's to stop someone copying this file too?

regarding re-downloading it, it may be possible to enter that number in to be able to re-download it (as you must have downloaded it to get the number anyway). i don't know tbh.

fair enough, you could 'hide' the file with the nuimber in it deep in someones comp without them even knowing it was there. this would stop the piracy issue, but would also mean they couldn't use the number to re-download it, and if you gave them another number to re-download it with, then they could give that to all their friends for them to download it for free too.

UNLESS.... they could only redownload the game, and still needed the hidden file to play it. that would stop the piracy. ah, but would also make re-downloading it pointless, if it was for a new computer or something.

bah.
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#65933

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as for the download total.. remember some people downloaded it more than once.. i had to download some games again when i changed my computer.

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Very correct, sometimes also if a new version is released with any improvements.
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But the Legions series would be popular if the right people knew about it.
there are a lot of retro game fans what would get a kick out of something like this, and using the first one to draw people in.. evening £1 a download you might make a few bob.

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Yes im sure there would be and you know if Jamie is making any game its going to be very much quality regardless of individuals taste.

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#65941
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also if a new version is released with any improvements.

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yes that would be another issue, how to update peoples versions if i released a new version.

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#65942
My personal opinion, for what its worth:

You have worked hard to build the skills to develop very sophisticated games and produce very marketable products. If you are able to make money by marketing your games then very good luck to you.

You've contributed so much to this community, for free, that i think that you deserve to have you time and effort recognised as being valuable.

I'm sure that for quality games like yours people would be more than happy to pay for playing them. Hopefully with coverage of a wider market, this could be the start of something really good for you?

As long as you have covered any relevant legal/copyright issues relating to Dizzy & using DizzyAge etc, I see no reason why you shouldn't do whatever want.

Of course from the point of view of a Dizzyfan who loves playing fan games for free - I'd still hope that if your venture is successful, then you may still have the time to contribute the odd non-profit fan game.

But maybe this is a really positive thing for this community - where we can encourage amateur developers to hone their skills on free fan based engines like DizzyAge, and can then become adept enough to use these skills as a stepping stone to a lucrative career?

Good Luck Jamie,
I'm only jealous I didn't get there first, let me know if you're looking for an agent...;P
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#65943
haha i'm not planning on using it as a stepping stone to a career! more just as a way of getting a little something back for all the time and effort i've put into it.

besides, i may yet decide not to.
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#65944

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But maybe this is a really positive thing for this community – where we can encourage amateur developers to hone their skills on free fan based engines like DizzyAge, and can then become adept enough to use these skills as a stepping stone to a lucrative career?

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to be fair, GS9 is a very similar coding language to the likes of PHP, which i believe is based on C++. if you know one of them, you'll be able to pick up another pretty easily.

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#65947
Well, we have almost a year in front of us to decide what changes may work or not in the next competition. I am open to any idea developers agree on and if it's something acceptable I'll adjust the rules. Well the thread stays open :smile:

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He, he - I was wondering where my post went.
Must've been something with the forum, 'cause I'm sure I didn't post in this thread - In fact I've just seen this one now.
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#65948

wrong thread alex! :tongue:

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#65960
Hi Delta,

I think you've put a massive amount of effort into your games, and you should be able to charge if you want to (allowing for copyright things etc). A couple of pounds is not a lot to pay for a good game.

Personally, I'm a bit like Lord Dizzy of Yolkfolk, in that I prefer the more 'classic' style Dizzy games, but I know your series is really popular and I think people wouldn't mind paying for it.

If it was a classic Dizzy game, I would be prepared to pay a couple of pounds for it, as long as it was a decent game (which I know yours would be). I'm not sure I'd be keen on paying for an unknown person's game, but you already have some excellent releases under your belt and I would pay you as readily as I would have paid Codemasters for the originals.
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#65961

I agree with Matt on the whole Legions series, it's not really my "cup of tea" having played the first one and not really enjoyed it, but I love all your classic Dizzy games.

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if I had to pay for them, I contribute to the web site every year so paying for a much loves Dizzy Game really wouldn't bother me (but it will neva happen due to Copy Right)

I think you should be able to get something back for all the hard work you put in to your games {yolkfolk}:delight:

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#65976

don't know about all the legalities and stuff jamie but i would certainly be up for paying a nominal sum for any of your games and the rest that are released on here - and i would pay to download the TLOD series cause i love the games we've had already {yolkfolk}:clap:

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#65978
I would also be willing to pay a small price for each other installment of the Legends series. I'd do this simply because I think Lord of Darkness was worth that much; and I realise it must have taken a hugely long time to make.

However (as others have said), one of the best things about the DizzyAGE community is the way people will share their games for free. I hope that most people will continue to do this, even if one of the best creators charged for some of his games.

One other solution might be for prolific creators to set up some way of receiving donations. I don't know how many people would donate, but maybe some would. I admit I would probably only donate money to those who made the most impressive polished games.
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