Hi all,
I wanted to ask you about this:
https://yolkfolk.com/site/games.php?game_id=25
I mean,Was Wonderland really going to be like magicland?
I'm asking because Dizzy9 was giving me some personal info about that. {yolkfolk}:cheers: Maybe it's Wonderland?
User named "Dizzy" has a map for Wonderland,if he can't post map then maybe he can tell us if this info is acurrate? {yolkfolk}:redfaced:
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Hi, everything that's mentioned about Wonderland on the site is true.
Peter, and a few other Community members have actually met the Oliver Twins in person, for taking part in the 2008 DizzyAGE Competition.
And the twins have told them about Wonderland being an altered version of Magicland, like when Prince of the Yolkfolk became Dizzy the Adventurer, one of the peeps that have met the twins can probably explain it better than I can.
Dizzy (Admin) has been given some rare items from Phillip Oliver such as the map of Wonderland, but he's not ready to make it public yet because of various stuff with his personal life he has to sort out, as far as I know, he is hoping to get things sorted out around the summer.
Peter, and a few other Community members have actually met the Oliver Twins in person, for taking part in the 2008 DizzyAGE Competition.
And the twins have told them about Wonderland being an altered version of Magicland, like when Prince of the Yolkfolk became Dizzy the Adventurer, one of the peeps that have met the twins can probably explain it better than I can.
Dizzy (Admin) has been given some rare items from Phillip Oliver such as the map of Wonderland, but he's not ready to make it public yet because of various stuff with his personal life he has to sort out, as far as I know, he is hoping to get things sorted out around the summer.
I still don't understand what the point of it really was.. a way to just cash in on Magicland? no more ideas..? or what... it's just an odd thing to make an alternative version. in particular with POTYF which wasn't a big game anyway, but then i never played the Adventure version.
Well this is funny, I was doing some searches on Google to find out more about the AGA versions of Fantastic Dizzy, and instead I came across a blog post with the map of Wonderland Dizzy!
http://www.preoccupations.org/2009/11/videogame-nation.html
Yep, it looks very much like a modified Magicland, with characters like Mad Hatter and Caterpillar added to affirm the "Wonderland" theme. (White) Rabbit too? Looks like Card Guards may have replaced some of the chess pieces. I know they said the Chesire Cat would be making appearances; could that have been an altered Gobolino?
I expect the Eatme Cake has returned, as that along with the Drinkme Potion were Alice in Wonderland references to begin with, and you're told to give the cake to Denzil (shrunken?) and the drink to Dora (enlarged in place of Daisy--so what's Daisy doing now?).
I remember someone once objected to Dizzy making a deal with the Devil, and I suggested that Dizzy could have met the wizard Theodore at the end instead, since it would set up his importance in Spellbound Dizzy, and what better place to meet a friendly wizard than in MagicLand? Well, seeing Theo's name in the lower-right corner, that appears to have been exactly what happened!
I thought the original MagicLand Dizzy was one of the better games, and I thought the 16-bit versions looked very pretty, so I would have loved to see the NES remake. What a shame about its cancellation...
The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy map is also neat, but it would be more helpful if I could find a key for what all those abbreviations mean.
http://www.preoccupations.org/2009/11/videogame-nation.html
Yep, it looks very much like a modified Magicland, with characters like Mad Hatter and Caterpillar added to affirm the "Wonderland" theme. (White) Rabbit too? Looks like Card Guards may have replaced some of the chess pieces. I know they said the Chesire Cat would be making appearances; could that have been an altered Gobolino?
I expect the Eatme Cake has returned, as that along with the Drinkme Potion were Alice in Wonderland references to begin with, and you're told to give the cake to Denzil (shrunken?) and the drink to Dora (enlarged in place of Daisy--so what's Daisy doing now?).
I remember someone once objected to Dizzy making a deal with the Devil, and I suggested that Dizzy could have met the wizard Theodore at the end instead, since it would set up his importance in Spellbound Dizzy, and what better place to meet a friendly wizard than in MagicLand? Well, seeing Theo's name in the lower-right corner, that appears to have been exactly what happened!
I thought the original MagicLand Dizzy was one of the better games, and I thought the 16-bit versions looked very pretty, so I would have loved to see the NES remake. What a shame about its cancellation...
The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy map is also neat, but it would be more helpful if I could find a key for what all those abbreviations mean.
I hope Dizzy isn't discouraged from eventually putting up the maps he received from the Oliver twins because of this. For all we know, what Dizzy has could contain different parts of the maps, or could be from a different stage in development.
He has mentioned on here that he may plan to upload a bigger and clearer version of the map so you can see more detail and read the rest of the writing more clearly, I think lots of people are preparing to make a DizzyAGE remake of it when that day comes.
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I still don’t understand what the point of it really was.. a way to just cash in on Magicland? no more ideas..? or what… it’s just an odd thing to make an alternative version. in particular with POTYF which wasn’t a big game anyway, but then i never played the Adventure version.
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Well, it probably saves on development time to use an existing game as a template rather than coming up with the whole thing from scratch. Remember they were developing these for the 8-bit consoles that were on their way out, so they had to get the next Dizzy game out fast in order to keep the interest of their target audience. And on that note, the targets of the Nintendo and Sega Dizzy games would have been mostly people who hadn't played the Dizzy games on the older computers, so a remake would still look fresh to them. Have you ever read the manual to the very first release of The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy, back when it had only 100 stars? The instruction booklet featured this outrageous 15-page story, written as if Dizzy were a brand new series. If the series had lasted a few more years, the stories of the console Dizzy games might be considered their own alternate continuity now.
Fantastic Dizzy as a bit of a re-boot... I've never really played it.
Wonderland might have been pretty good, I'm sure someone out there will put it all together at some point. :teethy:
Wonderland might have been pretty good, I'm sure someone out there will put it all together at some point. :teethy:
Wonderland Dizzy was to be a port from old 8/16 bit to 32 bit. At the time quite a few games were going through ports from old consoles and handhelds into the more later consoles so it was typical that some of the old and successful Dizzy games would get ported too. Most of the Dizzy games had already been ported to consoles like Atari, Amiga, Sega, and PC versions.
Huh, where did you hear that? I only heard of it being developed for Nintendo Entertainment System (via Aladdin Deck Enhancer) or for Sega Master System (in The Excellent Dizzy Collection). But then we did see a canceled Genesis port of The Excellent Dizzy Collection, so it's possible a Genesis version of Wonderland Dizzy was in the works too!
Most of the Dizzy games got ported onto the early consoles which were Atari and Amiga and there was some ported to PC DOS too. When the later consoles came out which were Sega, NES, and Amiga CD32 there was a couple of ports, not many though. I'll give you a nice little list:
Fantastic Dizzy: NES, NES Plugin, Sega GG, Sega MS, Sega MD, Sega MD duo cart with Cosmic Spacehead, Sega Genesis (Sega versions were renamed to Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy)
Dizzy the Adventurer: NES, NES Aladdin, Sega MS (port of Dizzy Prince of the Yolkfolk)
Quattro Adventure: NES, NES Aladdin (featured a port of Treasure Island Dizzy)
Quattro Arcade: NES (featured Go! Dizzy Go! This is arguably a port of Fast Food, the Olivers are best to confirm that for you.)
The Excellent Dizzy Collection: Sega GG, Sega MS (compilation of Dizzy the Adventurer, Go! Dizzy Go! and Panic Dizzy which was a port of Dizzy Panic!)
Big 6: Amiga CD32 (compilation of Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, Dizzy Prince of the Yolkfolk, Fantastic Dizzy, Magicland Dizzy, Spellbound Dizzy, and Treasure Island Dizzy.)
If you were meaning if Wonderland Dizzy was to be aimed at other consoles besides the NES Aladdin and Sega MS then no, it was already ported to the earlier consoles (Atari and Amiga) under its original name Magicland Dizzy but I don't think there was any future plans to port it to anything else since the NES, Megadrive, Genesis and Master System was old news by that time and the last official ports were to the Amiga CD32 under their original names.
Fantastic Dizzy: NES, NES Plugin, Sega GG, Sega MS, Sega MD, Sega MD duo cart with Cosmic Spacehead, Sega Genesis (Sega versions were renamed to Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy)
Dizzy the Adventurer: NES, NES Aladdin, Sega MS (port of Dizzy Prince of the Yolkfolk)
Quattro Adventure: NES, NES Aladdin (featured a port of Treasure Island Dizzy)
Quattro Arcade: NES (featured Go! Dizzy Go! This is arguably a port of Fast Food, the Olivers are best to confirm that for you.)
The Excellent Dizzy Collection: Sega GG, Sega MS (compilation of Dizzy the Adventurer, Go! Dizzy Go! and Panic Dizzy which was a port of Dizzy Panic!)
Big 6: Amiga CD32 (compilation of Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, Dizzy Prince of the Yolkfolk, Fantastic Dizzy, Magicland Dizzy, Spellbound Dizzy, and Treasure Island Dizzy.)
If you were meaning if Wonderland Dizzy was to be aimed at other consoles besides the NES Aladdin and Sega MS then no, it was already ported to the earlier consoles (Atari and Amiga) under its original name Magicland Dizzy but I don't think there was any future plans to port it to anything else since the NES, Megadrive, Genesis and Master System was old news by that time and the last official ports were to the Amiga CD32 under their original names.
That is kinda funny how CodeMasters came up with the new title "Go Dizzy Go" for a game that was just another remake of Kwik Snax, while they reused the name "Panic Dizzy" in The Excellent Dizzy Collection for a whole new puzzle game.
But wasn't it the Nintendo versions of Fantastic Dizzy that were called "The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy"? I think those came first, and then they decided to shorten the title for ports to other systems.
But wasn't it the Nintendo versions of Fantastic Dizzy that were called "The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy"? I think those came first, and then they decided to shorten the title for ports to other systems.
Hmm, I think you're right. Seems the NES version got released before the Amiga version, so that would mean its original name would've been The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy. I stand corrected. :tongue:
I'm not entirely certain if Go! Dizzy Go! is just a port of an existing game, but it does look remarkably similar to Fast Food and Kwik Snax. It could very well have just been a new game like Fantastic Dizzy was and that game ideas for arcade versions were just rehashing pac-man styles as that's all they had the time for, plus it's easier to develop (read - lazier!!!)
I'm not entirely certain if Go! Dizzy Go! is just a port of an existing game, but it does look remarkably similar to Fast Food and Kwik Snax. It could very well have just been a new game like Fantastic Dizzy was and that game ideas for arcade versions were just rehashing pac-man styles as that's all they had the time for, plus it's easier to develop (read - lazier!!!)
Hey,I have awesome news here:
From what I was able to gather,Dizzy9,has an beta wonderland cartridge.
He's waiting for tools to come,so he can dump ROM image(he bought tools on ebay).
I've seen photos but I was not allowed to post them.
(Well,I was not allowed to post this info,but actually,he never said that*)
*He never said if i can or not post this info.
From what I was able to gather,Dizzy9,has an beta wonderland cartridge.
He's waiting for tools to come,so he can dump ROM image(he bought tools on ebay).
I've seen photos but I was not allowed to post them.
(Well,I was not allowed to post this info,but actually,he never said that*)
*He never said if i can or not post this info.
Go dizzy Go certainly follows on were fast food and kwik sank left off.
It's different enough not to be a 'remake' plus it's good fun in two player. One of the better arcade Dizzy games, i enjoyed it.
It's different enough not to be a 'remake' plus it's good fun in two player. One of the better arcade Dizzy games, i enjoyed it.
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Hey,I have awesome news here:
From what I was able to gather,Dizzy9,has an beta wonderland cartridge.
He’s waiting for tools to come,so he can dump ROM image(he bought tools on ebay).
I’ve seen photos but I was not allowed to post them.
(Well,I was not allowed to post this info,but actually,he never said that*)
*He never said if i can or not post this info.
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I doubt this to be the case that Dizzy9 has a beta wonderland Dizzy cartridge, especially after his outburst toward myself getting my own files together.
Having said that. It would be good if he did manage to get hold of one as I have heard that they did make this at some point.
I'm waiting for Dumping device...it's not like copy-paste ...
anyway...I asked Oliver Twins(Philip oliver to be precise) about dumping Wonderlnad legality.But they still not responded.
They can block dumping game by Law.
But one photo won't send me to jail,right? :smile:
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/sitfocia.jpg
Like someone mentioned(Augustyn?) game lack Diamonds and items...
anyway...I asked Oliver Twins(Philip oliver to be precise) about dumping Wonderlnad legality.But they still not responded.
They can block dumping game by Law.
But one photo won't send me to jail,right? :smile:
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/sitfocia.jpg
Like someone mentioned(Augustyn?) game lack Diamonds and items...
Haha, Weirdhenge looks tiny compared to the screen size! And is that a Treasure Island Dizzy sprite?
Hehe,It's always smaller in NES.
Compare Mario Bros 3 doom ship from GBA to NES's,or Dragon form Fantastic Dizzy(Genesis) to it's NES version... :wink:
And,yeah,it's look like TID sprite.
Camerica was gone by that time(?) do they were alone with making games...Also They had no right to camerica mapper...I wonder which one they used?
Compare Mario Bros 3 doom ship from GBA to NES's,or Dragon form Fantastic Dizzy(Genesis) to it's NES version... :wink:
And,yeah,it's look like TID sprite.
Camerica was gone by that time(?) do they were alone with making games...Also They had no right to camerica mapper...I wonder which one they used?
Anything new about Wonderland Dizzy?
When we can play it?
When we can play it?