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LETS PLAY: DIZZY - THE ULTIMATE CARTOON ADVENTURE

Started by Peter Teal on 1 March 2015 • 25,237 views

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#82416
They used the bird seed wrong.
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#82417
:smile: EgoTrip... I believe they use it correctly.. they did write it after all :smile:

Nice of them to code it so that you can hold the item to use it also :smile:
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#82418
I noticed that. I wonder if the way I've been doing it (holding the seed and jumping into him) is an unintended bonus? I wonder if they realise? Interesting video, anyway :smile:
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#82419
I really doubt that is the intended use for it, considering there are numerous nasty screens on the game with birds, bats, spiders, rain and apples. I think the way they used it is the trap way, and the game is full of traps.

Maybe they just forgot? They were not completing the puzzles in the best order anyway, for example you should leave the ghost hunter's laser until later in the game after you have got the garlic. I know some of the games I've written I don't remember the best way to finish them and they have made a lot more than me and for a lot longer than me, almost as long as I've been alive.

Of course I could be wrong. Maybe they will shed more light on it?
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#82420
It would be nice if they shed light on a lot of things. As to the question of what is the `right` way to use items, check the results the both methods have and compare them with each other.

What is this Spectrum emulator anyway? Is it a machine that plays Spectrum Games that isn't a spectrum or is it a machine that plays remade Spectrum Games?
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#82421
A spectrum emulator is software that emulates a spectrum machine. The best one to use is ZX Spin for PC, or if you are willing to pay, Spectaculator is good. There are mobile emulators available but don't bother unless you have a controller.

As for playing the actual game, you can connect up your tape player to the line in on your PC I think and load it old skool style, or record it to a wav file then convert to a tap file.

However, I really do recommend you get an Amstrad CPC emulator like WinAPE or JavaCPC (both are free) as the machine is better than the Spectrum, and the games while only having four colours on screen at a time are otherwise identical. And of course you can then play the original and best version of the almighty (unrelated to Dizzy) Spindizzy. Don't bother at all with C64 for Dizzy games, they are not the same.
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#82422
Trouble is using the bird seed that way you only get to use it once, I agree with the idea it was a trap because most first time players wont think to touch a baddie.

Unless, the whole idea was for the player to only use it the once. Interesting little 'Easter egg'

Anyway, nice video but didn't really learn anything new from it.
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#82424
I find it quite amusing at how bad they are at playing it and how little they remember about how to play the game successfully! :o_o: Like seemingly everyone else, I was completely unaware that the bird would be killed just by touching the bird seed. I cannot imagine that this is the 'correct' way to use it as there are far too many other birds flying around to be able to afford to lose the seed at all, yet alone on one of the easier birds to avoid! As evidenced by them themselves on the first path when they got killed on the crystal mountain. But I suppose, as they said, they played it a lot when writing it, then once it was complete, moved on to the next game / project.

DCT - yes, get a Spectrum emulator, it was supported with far more software than the Amstrad, and Dizzy doesn't look ill in the Speccy games like he does in the Amstrad games :tongue: Try http://www.worldofspectrum.org for emulators and downloads to most of the released Speccy games (but NOT any Codemasters (i.e. Dizzy etc) or Ultimate Play The Game as these publishers do not allow distribution of their titles). The emulator will load the game immediately as long as you do not use the TZX format - if you do, it will load as if it was 1982 and take 5 minutes to load a 48K program! In a totally different genre to Dizzy, I wholeheartedly recommend Tau Ceti and Academy by Pete Cooke.
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#82425
The PCs I use aren't my own they're public so that might be difficult. Do I take it that emulators play emulated versions of the games or are you saying you use the emulator after you've loaded and converted the game from tape?

When I raised the question I was partially wondering the relationship of emulators to the new Sinclair Spectrum Vega.
How do C64 games differ especially this one? I can't really find much about the C64 version online to compare.

Hmm, it's not encouraging is it, frogandhat? If they can't remember how to play the game they made what can we expect them to remember about the game they might have made but didn't? I can sort of appreciate EgoTrip's attachment to the Amstrad version, if Dizzy didn't, as you say, look ill it would probably be the best version but a green Dizzy seems so against the point that's a real mark down. I just wish it had been made for the Amiga I might actually have played it. Heck, it might even have had a bigger map. I always liked the graphics on Amiga for clarity of detail although I can see how some might construe them as to `bright` or `cartoony`.
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#82426
To see how the C64 version differs you are best off looking on youtube. Theres loads of videos of each game on each platform. Dizzy is slightly fatter and doesn't move in quite the same way as on the CPC and Spectrum. Its nothing major, just subtle but enough for me at least to feel uncomfortable about. Also I am not a fan of SID sounds (even if it is a technically superior chip to the AY), yeah its better than 48k beeper tho.

As for the emulators, most should be runnable from a USB drive or SD card, so you don't need to install them on the host PC. Emulators play the exact same games as on the original hardware, they are usually converted to tap or dsk files to store on computer. Also this is another reason why a CPC emulator is a good option, because the Dizzy games are still available to download unlike for the Spectrum.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the Vega, spend the money on a real spectrum instead. Yeah its old technology and needs additional hardware to work but its going to be the real deal, not some cut down gimmick.
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#82427
Hate emulators, they're so buggy and not only end of crashing finding any 'safe' games or 'safe' web sties to get them from is pretty none existent. Lost count how many dangerous bugs my computer has picked up from using/downloading emulators.

The Vega is awesome, no load time, no dodgy emulators or web sites, plenty of games with out having to hunt them down yourself, importing your own specy game, save opinion. portable, more practical then 30+ year old piece of technology, plus it'll plugs into my big screen tv, and it cheap, and the money goes to a worth cause. Fantastic piece of kit.
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#82428
Dizzy predates the Amiga by a couple of years I am afraid!

An emulator is a program that runs on your PC and make is emulate the original machine, so on a perfect emulator it is exactly like using the real machine. Getting hold of an original Spectrum shouldnt be too hard, plenty were sold! But personally I prefer the emulation route to the real hardware if for no other reason than you get instant loading games instead of having to wait 5 minutes for the tape to load. In fact, that is probably going to be the harder part of the 'original machine' route, finding tapes that still load after all these years! I have a Speccy and my copy of Dizzy in my loft, but whether either still work, who knows?

As far as dodgy emulators and roms are concerned, then for the Spectrum World of Spectrum seems a safe website. But there are obviously a lot of games for the Speccy and other machines where the game is not legally available, and therefore you take your life in your hands a bit if you try to download pirated material.

Meph - I agree with all the plus points of the Vega, but (most of us) already have a PC and thanks to WOS Speccy emulators and games are available safely and for free, so for me it is an unnecessary piece of kit and expense.

EgoTrip - yes, agreed the Speccy BEEPer was it's worst feature, and in my opinion the only major negative in comparison to its rivals. Yes, you got colour clash, but back in those days every bit and byte was important, and if you look at machines that had more colours on screen, they generally had a lower resolution (the amount of screen memory would be fixed, so if you wanted more colours, then you had to have fewer pixels, and vice-versa)
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#82429
To see how the C64 version differs you are best off looking on youtube. Theres loads of videos of each game on each platform. Dizzy is slightly fatter and doesn't move in quite the same way as on the CPC and Spectrum. Its nothing major, just subtle but enough for me at least to feel uncomfortable about. Also I am not a fan of SID sounds (even if it is a technically superior chip to the AY), yeah its better than 48k beeper tho.

As for the emulators, most should be runnable from a USB drive or SD card, so you don't need to install them on the host PC. Emulators play the exact same games as on the original hardware, they are usually converted to tap or dsk files to store on computer. Also this is another reason why a CPC emulator is a good option, because the Dizzy games are still available to download unlike for the Spectrum.

Personally I wouldn't bother with the Vega, spend the money on a real spectrum instead. Yeah its old technology and needs additional hardware to work but its going to be the real deal, not some cut down gimmick. All this talk about emulators is making me confused and worried. I couldn't find any complete Dizzy stuff on Youtube from the C64 which limited by experience somewhat. Speaking of some I also much prefer the Amstad soundtrack.
Hate emulators, they're so buggy and not only end of crashing finding any 'safe' games or 'safe' web sties to get them from is pretty none existent. Lost count how many dangerous bugs my computer has picked up from using/downloading emulators.

The Vega is awesome, no load time, no dodgy emulators or web sites, plenty of games with out having to hunt them down yourself, importing your own specy game, save opinion. portable, more practical then 30+ year old piece of technology, plus it'll plugs into my big screen tv, and it cheap, and the money goes to a worth cause. Fantastic piece of kit. But are any of those games Dizzy?
Dizzy predates the Amiga by a couple of years I am afraid!

An emulator is a program that runs on your PC and make is emulate the original machine, so on a perfect emulator it is exactly like using the real machine. Getting hold of an original Spectrum shouldnt be too hard, plenty were sold! But personally I prefer the emulation route to the real hardware if for no other reason than you get instant loading games instead of having to wait 5 minutes for the tape to load. In fact, that is probably going to be the harder part of the 'original machine' route, finding tapes that still load after all these years! I have a Speccy and my copy of Dizzy in my loft, but whether either still work, who knows?

As far as dodgy emulators and roms are concerned, then for the Spectrum World of Spectrum seems a safe website. But there are obviously a lot of games for the Speccy and other machines where the game is not legally available, and therefore you take your life in your hands a bit if you try to download pirated material.

Meph - I agree with all the plus points of the Vega, but (most of us) already have a PC and thanks to WOS Speccy emulators and games are available safely and for free, so for me it is an unnecessary piece of kit and expense.

EgoTrip - yes, agreed the Speccy BEEPer was it's worst feature, and in my opinion the only major negative in comparison to its rivals. Yes, you got colour clash, but back in those days every bit and byte was important, and if you look at machines that had more colours on screen, they generally had a lower resolution (the amount of screen memory would be fixed, so if you wanted more colours, then you had to have fewer pixels, and vice-versa) Really I understood Dizzy just wasn't made for the Amiga I know both Fast Food Dizzy and Treasure Island Dizzy which followed were, I had Fast Food Dizzy and thought I had TID but now can't find it.

I must say this topic is very exciting even if the emulator discussion is making me at least as wary.
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#82430
"But are any of those games Dizzy?"

No idea, yet. This will all be announced very soon.
I'd guess you'll get TID and that's the one Codemasters tend to pimp out and did offer it as free pc download a few years ago. Hopefully all the Dizzy games are approved.


I don't believe there is such a think as a safe emulator, a safe emulator web site and a safe emulator roms. I've tried plenty of the years and have been infected with all sorts of Internet transmitted disease , even from those apparent 'safe' ones. The sites might be ok but you have no idea what exactly you're downloading.

Certainly a risk I'm no longer willing to take.

I don't see the Vega as expensive, I think it's great value for money and piece of mind, and practical, it would cost a lot more to have bought all that back in the day, plus it's cheaper than one of those shitty xbox stations or Wees kids are buying theses days, I mean if you can afford £300+ on one of those plus the £30/40+ per game then the Vega is pocket money, and at £100 it's just under a days wages. lol Plus, having a PC is irrelevant.

Only three things I don' t like about the Vega, No keyboard, No joystick option, no two player option, YET, as far as I know, it's still in development. I guess some people are a bit snobbish about it/purists but for the rest of this it's a easy, safe and practical way to enjoy theses classic games. It's not a gimmick it's an essential.
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#82431
Here's a Let's Play for C64 Dizzy: [video=youtube;nDLHQdPlFn4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLHQdPlFn4[/video]

You don't really need to bother with emulators and illegal roms anyway, considering most of the games have been quite faithfully (but not quite 100% in all cases) remade in DizzyAGE and can be played on PC. You can run them from a USB drive or SD card.

As for the Vega being essential and not a gimmick - I completely disagree. Unless of course all you want to do is play games on it, but there is so much more to 8-bit computers than playing games. The Vega cuts out the rest of the experience.
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#82432
Meph - Yes, it would be nice if the Dizzy games are on the Vega, but as Codemasters do not allow free distribution currently, unlike almost all the other publishers, I would guess that the makers of the Vega may prefer to install the 'free' games first for purely economical reasons.

The internet can be a dangerous place, and with a lot of emulators and ROMs inhabiting, at best, a slightly murky area of legality, these are frequently the types of places where nasties lurk. There are safe and legal emulators and ROMs out there, but as with anything else, you have to be careful.

I agree, that in comparison to games consoles today, the Vega is cheap (how many people can afford to keep paying £40 per game?), and you will undoubtedly get a lot of fun from it for a relatively small outlay, but with a PC, emulator and the WOS website, you can play a ridiculous number of Speccy games for free. In addition, there will be games that use more keys than are on the Vega that it will not play - for example a couple of my favourites, Tau Ceti and Academy.

I don't see that lack of a 2 player mode is much of an issue as there weren't a massive number of games where 2 players could play simultaneously. (But again, an emulator will allow this, and joystick use as well).

I hope I am not coming across as snobby or a purist (I wouldn't advocate emulation if I was a purist, after all!), I agree with most of what you are saying, and hope that the Vega does well. I agree that it will (hopefully) be a safe and relatively cheap way of enjoying a large amount of good quality gaming, I just don't think it is for me. And I don't think, in all honesty, you can call any games console "essential"
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#82433
Ego-trip - yes, there is more to the 8 bits than gaming, but in all honesty that is what 95% of the machines were used for 95% of the time! But yes, one of the joys was being able to program your own stuff for a lot of people, which will not be emulated. But I don't think that will be too much of a loss for many people.
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#82434
Not being able to code on the Vega is irrelevant, it was never designed for it. it's a games machine and the people buying it aren't too worried about being able to code, their are far better ways of doing that, so for me that's not an issue at all. It's gotten really popular and should hit retailers buy the end of the year.

My c64 had quite a lot of two player games so I just assume the Zx did the same thing.
They plan on getting every game made available but I think that's optimistic, maybe in time it will happen.

The other thing I liked about it is it will fully document and make these little games officially available to everyone without the nonsense and the fuss and the risks. Plus we don't all have smart phones and tables to take on our travels It's like the game boy.. :tongue:

I have just had really bad luck with emulators, my last attempt was back in January and I got a mild infection, but on that occasion it was a c64 site. lol

Oh it's essential, everyone house hold needs a Spectrum. {dizzy}:dizwink:
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#82435
If all you want is to play games then the Vega is for you certainly, but I still think its a bit of a waste of potential.

Does the Vega have a built-in screen?

Also I have never had any infections from emulators or games. Then again I don't really do warez and all the games I download are from reputable sources, and mostly for CPC at that. I guess you just got unlucky.
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